senran kagura reflexions switch censorship

Artistic - Given that literally garbage placed in the middle (or maybe slightly off center!) How many have been told they can't watch any of those by themselves or with their peers? Should kids and teenagers feel guilty because a bunch of adults made a game they (the kids) can just mess around in? I draw the line when actual human beings are harmed in the making of the game, I suppose. I saw a bunch of R-rated movies as a kid as I'm sure anyone even in their 30s now who loves Arnold Schwarzenegger movies understands. But I'd gladly become convinced of the opposite. In case none of that resonates put it this way: if I caught my son with this game I wouldn't go all Puritan on him. The games were never meant to have hentai/porn in them, if you want to mod them in then go for it. @Flaming_Kaiser My point was more it's utter dross in my pure opinion but ultimately Sony should release here and Japan, stand by the "art", and see what the regional classification laws decide or decide themselves as a company they don't think it morally represents them as a brand and remove it totally. Don't know whether to laugh or be disgusted. @RPE83 Ok then i said nothing then i dont think the stuff is smart anyway just make change it to the region you put it on. Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal will not include its controversial ‘Intimacy Mode’ on the PlayStation 4, which effectively allows you to fondle the private parts of its questionably aged cast of anime characters. 30 Accessory Set Gym Uniform Outfit Set Hairstyle Set Murasaki Outfit Set 1 Murasaki Outfit Set 2 Murasaki Reflexions Course & 7-Outfit Set I have more respect for them doing it. @LaNooch1978 Good thing there isn't a single minor in this. @Jaz007 @KingdomHeartsFan Characters being "clearly stated in the instructions" as being 15 - which I'm taking a serious leap of faith in taking your word for, by the way - is a definite problem, yes. I mean, the knowledge that we have now about girls not being fully developed mentally is most certainly the result of the cultural (as it was learned) and not the biological (instinct). Summer Lesson - you mentor a young girl and although you CAN do some pervy things, the presentation is that you are literally supposed to be mentoring a ln attractive young female student no matter how big the #wink wink# is for the other stuff. I'm assuming not because you, in your own mind are equating deviance, evil, malfeasance or any other dark adjective to the situation without having experienced it for yourself. There's no doubt there are people on twitter who see this as a bigger victory than one against child porn and they will be asking for censorship on a larger scale. Not completely accurate. I've never liked what I saw when these games were promoted, so I simply don't buy. Regards,RPE83. Included DLCs. Regarding this I can understand why Sony wanted the touching to be removed. @KingdomHeartsFan I haven't forgotten about replying or anything, by the way. @LaNooch1978 So you'd be okay if Sony had censored that roping instance in RDR? If we're not careful women in games will be fighting in snowsuits. I also love how their prepared to go places that many western media's wouldn't even dream off. @doctommaso Apparently so, though I'd say that if half the comment section disagrees with your assessment, calling the issue "obvious" is a bit of a stretch. It one thing to say you feel the game is disgusting. I doubt that they are also the same in real life. I also asked Marvelous Europe about this and if they also censor the game, I'm cancelling mi pre-order. And, by their very nature, censors are never satisfied, because the world always exists in a state that is discordant with their own moral ideal. Whereas Nintendo — a company that focuses on providing entertainment to whole families — has allowed Senran Kagura Reflexions (which is basically Intmacy Mode: The Game) to remain on the Switch uncensored, Sony has seemingly regressed, having “requested” the censorship of both this title and Omega Labyrinth Z earlier this year. This just ain't fair. Previous instalments on Sony’s system have included this feature, as does the Japanese version of the same game, so it seems that the platform holder’s changed its policy towards extremely sexual content in the West. And 2) does wherever you got your information from have statistics of those that own said artistic renders yet have never committed any crimes (harm of children or actual child pornography)? Personally I love Japan and Japanese culture, it's formed a huge backbone of the entertainment that I've consumed over the 32 years I've lived. Because its a RPG with anime girls doing what they always do that typically annoy me. This is stuff Nintendo used to get raked over the coals for, I'm not giving Sony a pass just because I game mostly on PlayStation. @Lando_ Thats what i mean just change the ages as if anyone would care about something like that. For the record, I play MH. @MsJubilee The fanboys are saying, that Reflexions on Switch wasn't censored. Thanks for that bit of context. Let's just agree to disagree here and move on. But I'm not Japanese or a curator of knowledge or Japanese culture so I'll leave it at that. Or to be able to stab a person in the gut and watch them limp away, trying to hold their stomach together, and slowly stalk them only to finish them off right when they've found someone that could help them (as you can do in GTA)? Odd. As in are we talking about stuff with actual kids in them or artistic renders where no real kids were involved? Then there would be a lot more stuff that would/should be banned. I don't know who those players are so why should care? What do you call Sony forcing a developer to remove something then? You think that would go over well in Japan that the West is telling them what to do? Games that are MORE EXPLICIT have been allowed on the platform before. There's a species of penguin that have no qualms about forcibly mating with young kidnapped from other parents, have have even been documented stealing baby seals away and raping them until death). Ultimately its just seems like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Senran Kagura 7EVEN is currently having censorship issues on PS4, leading it to a massive delay and a possible cancellation, not to mention changes in the original game itself. Damn! I out grew that crap ago, but just because I did doesn't mean the upcoming generation can't experience it. First off, Sony is not the arbitrator of what is appropriate in the West or not. Senran Kagura Reflexions on the Switch (which was localized without censorship) is a game with a more in-depth "intimacy mode" than normal Senran games. Most people who play them are not violent at all, despite how immersive or gruesome the games may be. I understand your point of view and the many comments I saw. Steam version will apparently be uncensored. It's a shame though, as I actually quite enjoyed this discussion/debate with you. lol. Are we all secretly murderers in waiting because we sacrificed one too many Yoshi's? Also many characters in this game are underaged as well. . 1) Character ages are changed or removed in the Western releases anyway. My view of probation has always been That something should only be banned if it has an external cost (is harming non-users). "This isn’t the first time this year that Sony’s censored a game, after it outright refused Omega Labyrinth Z’s release on the PS4 outside of Japan entirely.". Senran Kagura Producer Kenichiro Takaki paints a rather bleak picture for Senran Kagura 7Even due to increasingly strict regulations on all platforms. Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America), https://kotaku.com/porn-star-comes-to-the-nintendo-switch-1832643719, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSpDs4I1JBU. Moral puritans smell blood in the water now, and they'll start pressuring Sony to have all sorts of stuff censored. XD. If your brain’s interpreting it instead as a mopheaded toddler with huge bazongas, that’s on you for not assembling it right. And it's that age-range that's at the heart of this discussion, as it's the age that all the Senran Kagura girls seemingly fall into. It's cartoon-y, and actually kinda fun to play for like 15 minutes. See smiley suns (for example). Poll: Is PlayStation Losing Ground to Xbox? I don't see it that way - probably because growing up in the 90's all the movies and tv shows set in high school the "children" were 9 times out of 10 were played by people in their 20's and sometimes even early 30's. So i ask again. Because they tend to most resemble normal, natural women to me. In all aspects. But as soon as they do hit puberty, are you telling me they don't become super interested in sex? I'm actually not a fan of huge breasts - I'd prefer average to smaller sizes myself. And i agree with you mate. Clearly only adults can make a game like this: meaning its just a product. The costs (loss of the game mode from the PS4 western version)and benefits (stopping some people from feeling uncomfortable) of both positions are so marginal it doesn’t really matter either way. I wish the SK series didn't exist at all, but at the same time I don't think it's anybody's place to tell devs what they can and can't make. Does that make any sense? Don t think any of those games will have anything that's borderline paedophilia. There is a word in Japanese that I've seen forgotten that exactly describes their fascination/acknowledgement of youthful people. It being rated that though I'm sure stops teenage boys from getting their hands on said game in much the same way the "Are you 18 years or older?" If they had a Trevor's Torture Room mode where the only aim was to torture people, that would be wrong too and I wouldn't be up in arms for a ban. I've listened to horrorcore rap and Norwegian black metal. @Eternallover21 Well, again, all I'm saying is if you choose to take the moral high ground. Why? Kinda funny that the Reflection game got released over here, but that’s on a different console. Gamers usually unanimously unite and call bull on that right away. Personally, with regards to women in fiction specifially, I tend to gravitate toward the younger ones. @Flaming_Kaiser You do know that there are women with small breasts that are of age, yes? Senran Kagura (Japanese: 閃乱カグラ) is a video game series created by Kenichiro Takaki, produced by Marvelous and mostly developed by Tamsoft.The franchise revolves around groups of female shinobi, and has received manga and anime adaptations. @playstation1995 I knew you were a good guy but now I know you are a man of culture .word up son. Never understood why they dont use character models with a little older looking girls. If it drives people away from playstation, so be it. Go figure. @Gamer83 Wow, you're moving way too fast into speculative domain. It wasn't that long ago people were up in arms about how women, fictionalized clear as day women, were depicted in Dragon's Crown art. I'm generally of the opinion that censorship is a bit of a no no and people should be able to make up their own minds on what they see and do, but I'm totes okay with paedo mode getting snipped. Because I don't see it. Funnily enough it's the exact opposite in the comments section of Dual Shockers, as the vast majority of the comments there think that Sony is in the wrong for censoring the mode. They arnt cutting content from games like heavy rain, yakuza etc because the content has been created in the right context and can be defended. The torturing puppies game...it depends on how graphic it is as to whether I'd play it or not. And lets be fair i murdered so many people i cant count any more. Where does a policy (which hasn't been shown to the public or anything) like this stop? And to your comment in #87 about the attachment rate of actual pedophiles to these types of materials, I have a few questions. I regularly draw boobies with crayons and stare. In Senran Kagura Burst on the other hand, minors like Mirai (16 or younger) are available in dressing rooms and touchable. Very young children of course wouldn't express sexual behavior normally, as they hadn't hit puberty yet. However I think an overreaction to this might actually backlash in the opposite way you would hope for. @get2sammyb You mean the movement that was sparked by someone where its come to light in the past couple of months that she's also had sex with a 17 year old kid, and paid him thousands in hush money to keep it quiet? The upcoming release of Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal on PlayStation 4 is being censored and therefore delayed due to "Wishes of the Platform Holder". I do think the mode's pretty gross personally, but I also do think that people should be given the opportunity to make up their own mind. I personally don't see it as a problem because the SK franchise always looked cheap to me in creating controversy. ESRB Rating: Mature | by Limited Run Games. Plus, given that in the Senran Kagura series all the girls are also trained to be deadly assassins and can easily perform physical feats of strength and agility that go far beyond what any adult human can do, let alone a "child". I say "would" though because in this instance, Sony decided to do it BEFORE any moral crusaders decide to have a go at it. I imagine most of us believe you don't hit a woman for any reason. But before I do I admit I know close to zero about this game: the ages, the context, all of it. I guess it just bugged me that it was being taken as gospel in this thread that these characters are stated in print as being underage, without any evidence to back that claim up. I like anime and Japanese cultural stuff and don't mind a lot of the titillation and risqué stuff, but just because other cultures have long standing morally dubious practices and view points, doesn't make them morally or ethically sound. Senran Kagura: Burst Re:Newal faced similar censorship troubles back in October. It's also not at all what's being censored here. hahaha thanks.just having fun.word up son. Sony certainly is not going to go war with them over it because it would be brand suicide. I just can't understand how some people can't see how it's wrong and the old line of its only a game doesn't cut it, it's sexualizes children . Since it's a remake of the original Burst, the story remains largely the same, containing the two story arcs, Skirting Shadows, the Hanzo Academy arc, and Crimson Girls, the Hebijo Academy arc. But let me add this, as others have better observed, these are full y developed as in mature characters who are ageless, as far I can tell. Reflexions is a visual novel game set in the typically action-heavy Senran Kagura universe in which the player’s goal is to help the beautiful kunoichi heroines relax through the power of massage. I know it seems like I may not actually be agreeing with you on the big issue here, but I do, I just worry now about the future of some of my favorite franchises. In the past few years, I have played games where Geralt was played by two beautiful women, Hitler assassinating Ronald Reagan on Venus in alternative reality, witnessed the trials and tribulations in a zombie apocalypse of Clementine, relived the arcade days by playing a game with the most murders per seconds in video game history (Smash TV), perform fatalities for the sake of performing fatalities while grossing my friends out, going around Skyrim and murdering every inhabitant possible, etc. Also, you need to understand how the law works with regard to adults molesting underage children, that's an issue in all of this. That's what I'm guessing. @3MonthBeef It's never really been our policy in any article — whatever it's about — to present the news without opinion. More niche and extreme content is just the proverbial 'canary in the coal mine.'. You now have to be consistent. My view is it that it is better to recognise that such fetishes exist and deal with them in the least harmful way possible. Its literally just entertainment. But what's offensive to people varies. If I had to guess I would say in their 20's, fully formed women. But do the rest of those players deserve to be robbed of their entertainment or have it neutered just for those few? I don't tend to see the world in black/white, but I am rather concerned with what should be allowed. For what it's worth, I thought GTA V having Trevor torture while lamenting the pointlessness of torture was a miss of the mark to make a point as part of a broader game experience , but still acceptable. @LaNooch1978 #68 The same can be said about depictions of murder, no? To be honest, we’re not sure where we stand on all this: Intimacy Mode is undoubtedly vile, and we can certainly see why the manufacturer wants nothing to do with it – but we’re not keen on censorship, and feel like people should be given the opportunity to make up their own minds. Cos that way they have the right to say "we don't want to sell that on our store" and it leaves the JP version to be imported. Following up on the momentum from Senran Kagura Reflexions comes Peach Ball, another silly spin-off. I'll be waiting for the Switch version of Burst then, since the PC game is uncensored as well. Should they pandered to? I mean, fair enough, but that's not a good reason to censor something. We'll have to agree to disagree. More Buying Choices $117.00 (8 new offers) Senran Kagura Burst Re: Newal - Tailor-Made Edition - … I mean, off the top of my head there's American Pie (with many of its sequels and seemingly endless copy-cat movies) back in 1999, and Fast Times at Ridgemont High back in 1982 - both of which showed straight up nudity of "high school students". Join 359,658 people following Push Square: © 2021 Nlife Media, partner of ReedPop. I think you can see the error in that line of reasoning. If video games really did make people act out what they saw in them, then the death toll would be much crazier. @LaNooch1978 You do know that you're making the exact same argument that people who think that violence in video games is bad and should be removed/banned/censored, yes? @LaNooch1978 I see nothing wrong with that kind of portrayal when there's absolutely no actual, real life children involved. What does Sony tell the people who will be 100% against GTA VI or Cyberpunk 2077? Let's not even pretend teenagers don't or can't play rated M games (which apparently is). And really? Its the never ending manipulation from opposite views, on a principle stand. @Flaming_Kaiser In western releases, the ages have been removed completely. And yeah, this is vile. In this case we will have to wait for a mod since this title never had any nudity to begin with. People are saying "Oh it's Senran Kagura, it's niche and it's "child molestation"" so it's fine. That’s not been bad in any form, that’s how people look different in real life. So we can do the normal thing beating people to death. Sex appeal sells. If you ban something you both take away benefit to the uses (minimal in this case) and have a risk of people seeking to fill their desires through more harmful roots (in that case will be importing directly from Japan). @LaNooch1978 For the record I read your comment and my response #85 hopefully reflects that. All rights reserved. According to PornHub's statistics, the average age of viewers is 35, with the largest age range being the 25-34 category. The number of people who will boycott sony will be so negligible to be laughable. Jack Thompson was basically on a one man mission, whereas we’re in the throngs of a larger cultural shift at the minute which goes way beyond video games. I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying at all, but this mode straight up allows you to fondle the asses of children while they ask you to stop. on the Switch along with seeing an inclusion of Asuka from Senran Kagura in Super Smash Bros. Then you got off scot free! Would it surprise you to learn some people react to fondling the characters in this as just...funny? Same, I'm not sure what to think. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. One of which is "cuteness" as expressed in many aspects of daily life. What's next? People saying they are going to boycot sony need a reality check. This kind of censorship is annoying, people can make up their own minds on what they want to play. Censorship has already affected Yakuza 3. © Valve Corporation. And if not, what differentiates it from this game mode that you find to be so wrong? Unless you're somehow screwed in the head and think it's okay to do that type of stuff irl. If Sony has consistent policies across the board, I can be okay with that. Censoring some silly game cause the characters look somewhat young despite having fully grown butts and tattas, they don't resemble real children at all to me. @Ralizah "Moral puritans smell blood in the water now, and they'll start pressuring Sony to have all sorts of stuff censored.". That’s just, I don’t even know what to say about that. Hopefully it does and doesn't sound like complete weirdness. I was somewhat worried because companies like Spike Chunsoft have been censoring game on Steam the same way they do on PS4, so I feel like I can't trust any localization company. Unfortunately most in the U.S. hate Japanese games and will be screaming for damn near all of them to tone down content. And those very same people would say that something is wrong with your wiring for loving something so depraved as Red Dead Redemption. It's a decision by SIE here in the west, so "the Japanese Giant" is not accurate. And that's the major difference. For the most part it's fanservice that barely teeters on the edge of pornography. I don't play Hunting Horn because I find it somewhat complex but I know its strengths. More its fundamentally not appropriate to release in the west in this format. Censorship is terrible, whether I care for what's censored or not. This is not censorship because it basically boils down to child pornography. Would you call anyone that watches the first American Pie a pedophile, as technically the movie depicts fictional teenagers in sexual situations and in the nude (they're all in high school, after all)? Honestly, something not being real doesn’t automatically not make wrong. Let me be clear(er): there are no real life people in this game at all. I think the Intimacy mode is problematic and other stuff usually isn't as much. If people really want that option, they can choose the Steam version I guess? They aren't helpless, and if the touching was truly against their will, then they have more than enough means of taking care of you, so calling it abuse is also a bit of a stretch. Partly because in things like anime or Japanese video games where fanservice has any kind of focus, most women have ridiculously gigantic breasts. Out in the west recently, too. To my knowledge, Xseed has been censoring the character ages in this series from the beginning, specifically to placate claims that they're underage. So this tribal one-up-manship of virtual signalling will never find its course. Is it not possible for someone let's say they're 21, to look busty and young looking? Why? As for interpretation goes though, it's interesting that you separate "teenage women" from "barely legal teens", as personally I see the girls of Senran Kagura to be the former, whereas everyone else here that seems to be against it to be the latter. Raking them over the coals for indecency that isn't even there because they've been censoring it the whole time is just... absurdly meta. What would cause those cultures to be that way, if not for biological urges? But there has to be a moral line somewhere otherwise it gets out of hand and we start seeing genuinely offensive martial sold to the mass market. And there are games that allow you to do so in very gruesome ways. Much in the same way how Rockstar added the detail of being able to get back all the money you used on a hooker after having killed her. Persona 5 - Ann's boobs are remarked on for being large by fellow teenage students and attention is repeatedly paid to them. And then of course an argument could be made that getting a wanted level is its own sort of reward, as that means that you now get to experience the gameplay of a filling chase as you try to outrun the cops. @Fath No, your arguments do not hold water. There is no message, no art, no contemplation, just "child abuse mode". Of course, given that the site doesn't (obviously) list any demographic below 18, and those teenage boys obviously would be on the site to some capacity, I don't know how valid these numbers are necessarily (or how PornHub tracks them), so take that as you will. And that's not even touching on the fact that in most animal species in general, once a female hits puberty she's immediately available for mating, despite still technically being in her "teenager" years. How will future games be censored to facilitate this new policy? Edit: Also, to your #169 comment, Sony has been a-okay with having this very mode in previous Senran Kagura games in the past, and didn't have any negative consequences because of it. @get2sammyb ...except that Sony had previously been perfectly okay with it (and thus "associated with it") in the previous four Senran Kagura that have released in the west. @KingdomHeartsFan Alright, so think that through. And here's a special peek at our reverse cover, which is the art fr @Tasuki OK. @Lando_ They should make the characters adult i cant see many or almost have a problem with that. 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